
Designing for Climate Change
A climate scientist and an architect discuss how design can be a force for positive environmental change.
Ed Hawkins, Marina Tabassum, Arlette Hernandez
Apr 21, 2025
“In New York, we used to have snowstorms in the winter,” a MoMA security guard remarked this week. “Now, when they talk about snowstorms…it’s just not the same.” This sentiment isn’t unique to New York. In fact, UK-based climate scientist Ed Hawkins says something similar in this month’s episode of the Magazine Podcast. Hawkins’s work, which visualizes the globe’s warming temperatures over the last 160 years, is currently on view in Pirouette: Turning Points in Design. The visualizations are striking in more ways than one, showing us just how quickly and dramatically the environment has been changing.
But climate change is more than escalating temperatures. It has tangible effects on how people live, and architects like Marina Tabassum have been using design as a tool to address hazardous conditions like flooding and soil erosion. For this Earth Month edition of the Magazine Podcast, we’ll also hear from Tabassum about her collaboration with Bangladesh’s landless populations and her project Khudi Bari (tiny house), now on view in Gallery 216: Down to Earth.

Photo of a Khudi Bari (tiny house) by Marina Tabassum Architects in Char Hijla, Chandpur, Lower Meghna River. 2021
See below for a transcript of the SoundCloud audio.
News Anchor 1: As temperatures continue to rise and natural disasters grow in frequency and magnitude, tens of millions across the country are forced to grapple with what’s becoming the “new normal.”
News Anchor 2: According to a new United Nations report, the devastating impacts of human-caused climate change are happening now.
News Anchor 3: Last year saw the fastest annual rise in the concentration of carbon dioxide…
News Anchor 4: Scientists from the European Union say last month was the hottest January on record.
News Anchor 5: A study this week, in the journal Nature, found mountain glaciers are melting more than twice as rapidly…
( News montage continues and builds)
Climate Scientist, Ed Hawkins: I certainly remember, as a child growing up in the UK, we had a lot more snow than we do recently. I remember several winters during my childhood where we would go out and build snowmen and have snowball fights, and I’ve just not had the chance to do that with my own children in the same way.
Host, Arlette Hernandez: Climate change isn’t always subtle. And it’s only becoming more dramatic and dangerous as the world continues to warm.
EH: I also remember a very intense heat wave in 2003 in Europe. That event was exceptionally hot and killed tens of thousands of people across Europe.
AH: You might be noticing these kinds of shifts in your own life, too. And while the circumstances can feel overwhelming, maybe there is something we can do about it.
Welcome to MoMA’s Magazine Podcast. My name is Arlette Hernandez, and in honor of Earth Day we’re exploring climate change through the eyes of two designers: climate scientist Ed Hawkins, whose data visualizations have fueled global conversations around the topic; and Marina Tabassum, an architect working with communities in Bangladesh to adapt and respond to environmental changes.
Together, they’ll show us that while climate change may be global, there are ways to respond at our local level.

Roger Mayne. Snow in Bethnal Green, London. 1955
EH: I chose to study the climate because I understood that it had real impacts on people, and I wanted to do something that had a direct relevance to society.
AH: That’s professor Ed Hawkins.
EH: I’m a climate scientist at the University of Reading in the UK.
AH: When Hawkins first became a climate scientist, he probably didn’t anticipate that some of his work would end up in an art museum.

Ed Hawkins. Global Temperature Spiral. 2016 (ongoing). Digital video
EH: I was playing around, experimenting with visualizations in 2016, and I’d made a graphic showing the temperature change in every year from 1850 up to 2016, and I put that online. A colleague emailed me and said, “Have you thought about joining the lines together to make it go into a spiral shape?”
I experimented a little bit further and generated this spiral version from the original flat version that I created and put it online, and suddenly everyone was responding to it.
AH: What professor Hawkins created was an animation known as the Global Temperature Spiral, which is now part of MoMA’s collection and on view in the exhibition Pirouette: Turning Points in Design.
EH: I think one of the reasons it works is because it is animated. We see the lines spiraling outwards from the center, demonstrating very visually the rise in temperature of our planet.
You’re seeing the changes being relatively small to begin with. It doesn’t last very long, and so you get a sudden surprise at the end when things spiral outwards very rapidly. And so that’s why I think it turns out to be very popular, because it has that surprise at the end, of telling this story about how things are changing.
People understood the message very clearly and very easily. It was even used in the opening ceremony of the Rio Olympics in 2016, which was amazing to see.
AH: And it wasn’t just the Rio Olympics that found it useful.
EH: NASA has a data visualization team, and they’ve created their own version in the same format, which has also been very popular and spread around the world to a slightly different audience. It’s been wonderful to see how it has inspired others to take what we originally developed and have new ideas about how to add to it and develop it.
AH: Encouraged by that success, Professor Hawkins looked for more ways to show climate change simply and clearly. Two years later, in 2018, he published the now-famous Warming Stripes visualization: an array of differently colored vertical lines ranging from shades of blue on the left-hand side to pale coral and deep crimson as we approach the right, where we’re now getting closer to present-day temperatures.
EH: A colleague of mine, Ellie Highwood, had knitted a blanket with stripes representing the temperature in that particular year.
About a year later, I was invited to talk at a literary festival in the UK with poet Nicola Davies, and we put on an event where we were talking about the science behind climate change, and Nicola was writing some beautiful poems about it as well.
We wanted a very simple way to talk about the changes to our climate in a way that the audience would understand. And I recalled the blanket that my colleague had knitted the year before, and designed a set of graphics with a different set of colors to represent the changes in temperature, moving through blues and reds to intuitively represent the changes in temperature.
I showed this at the literary festival and I could see the audience immediately—the penny dropped in their minds. They instantly understood what it represented and what it meant, and that made me realize the power of a very simple graphic to communicate these very important issues.
Lots of people have reported to me that when they first saw it, it stopped them scrolling through their social media feeds. It made them stop, ask questions about what these blue and red stripes represented, and so it sparked a natural conversation about what they mean and what we should do in response to it.
AH: One of the things that makes Hawkins’s visualizations so powerful is how easily they can be adapted to show climate change at a local level.
EH: We’ve created these graphics now for every country around the world, and also for many different locations and cities within many different countries. That enables people to talk about the changes where they happen to live, and I think that’s very important—that local connection, to highlight that, yes, the globe is warming, but that means our local community is also warming and changing.

Ed Hawkins. Warming Stripes, 1850–2023. 2018–ongoing. Digital file, data visualization graphics
AH: And while no one is immune to the effects of climate change, this graphic can also remind us that not everyone feels its impact in the same way.
EH: We all experience climate change in different ways depending on where in the world we live, and it’s also true that many of us are more vulnerable. Some of us can be quite isolated from it if we have homes that we can heat or cool down very easily and very effectively. Those who are more vulnerable don’t have those choices, and they have to live with the weather as they experience it.

Aerial drone view of Hatirjheel, Dhaka, Bangladesh
AH: One place where these vulnerabilities are especially clear—and urgent—is Bangladesh.
Architect, Marina Tabassum: With climate change, Bangladesh is facing sea level rise.
AH: That’s Marina Tabassum.
MT: I’m an architect based in Bangladesh. That’s where I’m born and brought up.
AH: Tabassum’s work is currently on view at MoMA, in a gallery exploring how architects and designers build with the Earth in mind. And Tabassum’s work is a direct response to environmental conditions in Bangladesh.
MT: So we have been having a lot of flooding these days in Bangladesh. At the same time, the glacial melt is much more pronounced because all the water comes down from the Himalayas, and the rains are becoming unpredictable and heavy.
In many places, they never had a flood, ever. Those places are getting flooded. Higher grounds are getting flooded. So those are issues that we are facing on a yearly basis. Temperature rising, and at the same time, this rain.
AH: While the severity of flooding is new, the water itself isn’t. In fact, Bangladesh has always been defined by it.
MT: Two-thirds of Bangladesh is delta. And it’s formed by three major rivers coming together, converging into the Bay of Bengal. Through this, this whole land is created. And we have this network of more than 700 rivers.
I think it’s important to understand Bangladesh as a waterscape rather than a landscape, because it’s all about water. That’s how people have lived throughout centuries until cars and trains came in during the British colonial time.
AH: But moving away from this water-based life has had consequences.
MT: In a way, what happened is that you forgot that you are a riverine land. We then looked more towards land and not towards water anymore. And I think that was a big mistake in the sense that we imposed ourselves with what is brought in from other places, rather than growing something, which is about this whole network of river and water.

Aerial view of flooded homes in Jatrapur Union, Kurigram, Bangladesh, June 22, 2022
AH: Today, even as many Bangladeshi people have moved into cities, many marginalized and landless communities still live along the riverbanks. But it’s a fragile existence.
MT: The land is constantly shaping and reshaping, because the rivers bring in an enormous amount of silt. And also water, because of the glacial melt and also the monsoon rain. So there is an enormous amount of pressure that is put onto this fragile soil. So people need to move when the land moves or the rivers change their courses, because land erodes. In that situation, it's always about moving from one location to another.
They don’t know how long that sediment will exist. And quite often the houses are just a very makeshift, temporary, sort of a shack. They don’t invest a lot because they know they have to move.
And so when they move, basically the entire village moves together. It’s been happening for ages. There are lives going on in that. There are children being born. This is what they know as home.
These are the people who has zero carbon footprint, in many ways, and they’re the ones who are suffering in every possible way. That kind of gave us a feeling that we need to do something.
AH: In 2018, Tabassum and her team began researching these communities, looking for meaningful ways to support them.
MT: We asked a lot of people, this is a very difficult place to live. Why do you still stay here? Why don’t you move away to a better, more grounded place and find a more stable ground to build your house rather than moving every year from one location to another?
And the answer was, “This is home.” And no matter how difficult the terrain is, your connection to the ground is so sacred that you cannot really question that. So you just have to find a better way of giving them that ability to move. That’s what we were focusing on.
AH: And from that research, Khudi Bari was born.
MT: It’s a tiny house, but it’s more than that, actually. Khudi Bari is a structural module, and then if you add these modules together, it can turn into a really large structure. It could be one module. It could be a three-module house. It could be as many as you like.
There are two levels, so when there is flooding, you can always go up to the second level, and then you don’t need to leave your home. You can bring your belongings to the upper floor and then save yourself.
The idea was: how can we create something that would be sturdy and strong? But at the same time, will not be too deviated from the cultural construct of a home that already exists in our landscape. That was our major goal. And then, of course, movability, that people should be able to move with it.
AH: From the outset, Marina’s team wanted a home that was modular, culturally familiar, and easy to relocate—all at once. Every detail, especially the materials, had to reflect that vision. So they chose bamboo for the main frame and reinforced it with steel cross-bracing.
MT: It’s a vernacular intervention.
AH: Which, in architectural terms, means building with local resources in ways that respect cultural needs.
MT: Vernacular, to me, is actually a response to the local climate and local geography. It’s built by people with their own knowledge of construction, of that land.
There’s so many interesting wisdoms in building with climate, in a way, as a response to the climate. And I think those are such important wisdom that exist in the entire world. I think there’s so much to learn from that, because of the situation we are in now.
With all the technology that we have, we’ve actually not really taken much interest in it, because technology helps us to cool our buildings, or to heat our buildings. In a way, that created a lot of imbalance in the climate that we are facing today. So I feel like we need to really tap into those wisdoms and the knowledge that exists in the lands everywhere.

Photo of a Khudi Bari (tiny house) by Marina Tabassum Architects in Chandpur, Lower Meghna River, 2021
AH: And beyond the wisdom of these materials, local sourcing is more cost-effective.
MT: Our houses cost, at this moment, about 450 US dollars—including transport and labor.
We wanted to reduce the cost, because the people for whom we are targeting this house actually are the ultra-low-income population in this world. They basically live off the land. So you have to give them something which is affordable for them.
AH: But affordable doesn’t mean poorly designed.
MT: Everybody has a right to good design. And just because we’re building a tiny house in a sandbed doesn’t mean that it needs to look anything like a shack or something. It needs to have that dignity of design. That was important.
Those questions do arise. Why do you want to help us? And we don’t help you, actually. We are here to build together. It’s always about collaboration. We’re not giving something for free. We want them to learn and to be a part of this whole system.
AH: So how have Tabassum and her team actually brought the Khudi Bari project to life?
MT: It’s always about building trust first, and that building trust takes time.
When we go to different communities, when we started building it, the first thing we did was…we have these brochures, we have images of what it will look like when you complete it. We do a lot of community activities also, and through the community activities, then the whole entire community decides on one particular family who’s probably, let’s say, in terms of income level, probably the lowest, or they have some sort of disability or they really desperately need a house.
So they choose one particular family to build the first house, and then the entire community takes part when we are building it also. So they understand how the construction works, how the whole mechanism works, how does the bamboo fit into the steel joints and everything. They actually directly gets involved in the construction process.
A free thing never has the same value as something that you have you’ve made yourself. That sense of ownership is very important, and that’s why it’s important for us to collaborate with people rather than give things away.

Photo of community assembling the bamboo frame of a Khudi Bari (tiny house) by Marina Tabassum Architects in Chandpur, Lower Meghna River, 2021
AH: For families who receive a Khudi Bari, the impact on their quality of life can be transformative.

Photo of community assembling a Khudi Bari (tiny house) by Marina Tabassum Architects in Chandpur, Lower Meghna River, 2021
MT: I can talk about one particular family that was the first house we built in Sunamganj.
The father has a back problem. He’s the only earning member of his family. He’s got three children. He’s quite an elderly man, in a way. The house was almost dilapidated, really in a very bad situation. It took 15 minutes for our team to just dismantle his old house to make our Khudi Bari there. That was the first one that we built.
And then the next time when we were there, there was a different confidence about the family. He was working better. The children had a better space to live in. The wife was happier. Once you understand how a small house can actually change people’s life, change the memory of a child who’s growing up in that house—it’s really a large contribution.
They have now a higher ground, and they can open the window and look beyond—much, much larger horizon than they were used to in a way, and they love that, especially the children. They go to the upper floor and then look beyond what they were able to see. That was interesting, to see how higher ground gives them a better venture and a better outlook, in that sense.
AH: And the project only continues to expand.

Marina Tabassum, Piplu R. Kahn, MTA (Marina Tabassum Architects). Khudi Bari (tiny house). 2023
MT: Now we have built almost about 60 houses, and each are in different locations. And also Rohingya refugee camp, where we also build.
At the same time, when we were working with this housing, we saw how people are also struggling with livelihood. In many ways, we expanded our work beyond the houses, and now we also work on livelihood programs. It also is connected to this whole Khudi Bari concept where we are now focusing on building community centers, which will act as a flood shelter.
This would be a community center where women, especially, can come and do different kind of products, create their own activities. They already have a lot of knowledge about crafting. All you need to do is give them a platform where they can actually take the knowledge and make something out of it. And then they could have income generation.
It’s like a holistic process rather than just focusing on building a few houses. You need to focus on livelihood. And it’s all part of this whole climate issue. Everything is related.
AH: By addressing not only shelter, but also livelihood and community empowerment, Tabassum is transforming architecture into a powerful tool to confront the broader challenges of climate change.
MT: Khudi Bari might be a small house in its meaning, but we think that it addresses an issue which is much larger than its name suggests. To me, it’s a way of expanding the architect’s agency towards looking into things that are much more important for us.
There’s so many ways an architect can expand agency. I feel that you need to be there, out there, in different places. Not in your office behind your computer. The moment you’re out there and you see things, you know that you have something in you that you can give back.
AH: But you don’t need to be an architect or designer to make meaningful contributions. Addressing issues of climate change starts with dialogue.
EH: Conversations are really important. We need to talk about climate change more than we do in our communities with our family and our friends and our colleagues, to talk about the risk we face, talk about the responses we’re all individually taking.
This is a global problem, which requires a global solution from everyone in society. It requires individuals to make different decisions about how they live their lives. It also requires companies and industries to make different decisions about how they operate. It also requires politicians to be brave enough to take the difficult decisions that will enable the changes and allow people to make different choices.
AH: And Tabassum’s approach to landlessness in Bangladesh is a powerful case study of exactly that.
MT: It was just a response to something. We felt a commitment, I think, me and the colleagues who work in this project. Commitment to the fact that, we live in a country where we have 90 percent of the people living beyond the level of subsistence, in many ways—who cannot afford an architect or even can dream of having an architect build their houses. That makes us kind of niche, in that sense. But we have that capacity to work with people in many ways where we both learn from each other, and make it much more sustained, much more rewarding for us also.
I must say that it wasn’t easy. There was so much pushback. For me, this was a learning curve.
I’m not claiming that this is the answer to our climate crisis. This is just an attempt. If it works, it works. If it doesn’t, we learn from it. Maybe we improvise it. We’ll do something more.

Women reading a Khudi Bari pamphlet produced by Marina Tabassum Architects for the project’s community engagement component, 2021
AH: Thanks for listening to MoMA’s Magazine Podcast. This episode was produced and narrated by me, Arlette Hernandez. It was edited, mixed, and sound designed by Katie McCutcheon. Special thanks to Joan Horn, Sara Bodinson, and Prue Peiffer for their help and guidance. You can experience Ed Hawkins’s work at MoMA through October 18, 2025, as a part of the exhibition Pirouette: Turning Points in Design. Marina Tabassum’s work is on view in the Museum’s second-floor galleries, in an ongoing installation titled Down to Earth. See you next time!
MoMA Audio is supported by Bloomberg Philanthropies.
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